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zaraza
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Piece of F-117A, shot down on 27. March, 1999.
Actually, it feels very cheap
but it's very though. You cant tear it unless you use something sharp.
Piece of F-117A, shot down on 27. March, 1999.
Actually, it feels very cheap
but it's very though. You cant tear it unless you use something sharp.
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AirborneBob
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From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.. On 27 March 1999, during the Kosovo War, the 3rd Battalion of the 250th Air Defence Missile Brigade under the command of Colonel Zoltán Dani,[38] downed an F-117A, callsign "Vega 31", AF serial number 82-0806, with a Yugoslav-improved version of the Soviet Isayev S-125 'Neva' (NATO name SA-3 'Goa') anti-aircraft missile system.[39][40]
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ACSpectre
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Judging by the date of the shootdown and where zaraza is from, I'd say it was somewhere in the former Yugoslavia.
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AirborneBob
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i corrected my post..
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zaraza
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Yes, Yugoslavia it was.
This is from Musem of Aviation in Belgrade:
(Wikipedia)
I dont know where the rest of wreckage ended...i guess Russians took it...
This is from Musem of Aviation in Belgrade:
(Wikipedia)
I dont know where the rest of wreckage ended...i guess Russians took it...
What happened to the pilot?
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zaraza
Guest
Ejected and rescued.
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2054172
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Must be a boring place the Musem of Aviation in Belgrade seeing you have part of a wrecked plane in it.
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PoorOldSpike
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From the net
Fighting with your brain first and your weapons second: How to Take Down an F-117
November 21, 2005: The Serbian battery commander, whose missiles downed an American F-16, and, most impressively, an F-117, in 1999, has retired, as a colonel, and revealed many of the techniques he used to achieve all this.
Colonel Dani Zoltan, in 1999, commanded the 3rd battery of the 250th Missile Brigade. The battery had four quad launchers for the 21 foot long, 880 pound SA-3 missiles. The SA-3 entered service in 1961 and, while it had undergone some upgrades, was considered a minor threat to NATO aircraft.
Zoltan was an example of how an imaginative and energetic leader can make a big difference.
The list of measures he took, and the results he got, should be warning to any who believe that superior technology alone will provide a decisive edge in combat. In addition to shooting down two aircraft, Zoltan's battery caused dozens of others to abort their bombing missions to escape his unexpectedly accurate missiles. This is how he did it.
--- Zoltan had about 200 troops under his command. He got to know them well, trained hard and made sure everyone could do what was expected of them. This level of quality leadership was essential, for Zoltan's achievements were a group effort.
--- Zoltan knew that his major foe was HARM (anti-radar) missiles and electronic detection systems used by the Americans, as well as smart bombs from aircraft who had spotted him. To get around this, he used landlines for all his communications (no cell phones or radio). This was more of a hassle, often requiring him to use messengers on foot or in cars. But it meant the American intel people overhead were never sure where he was.
--- His radars and missile launchers were moved frequently to avoid getting hit. His battery traveled over 100,000 kilometers during the NATO bombing campaign, and his troops knew all that effort was worth the effort.
--- The Serbs had spies outside the Italian airbase most of the bombers operated from. When the bombers took off, the information on what aircraft they were, and how many, quickly made it to Zoltan and the other battery commanders.
--- Zoltan studied all the information he could get on American stealth technology, and the F-117. He developed some ideas on how to beat stealth, based on the fact that the technology didn't make the F-117 invisible to radar, just very hard to get a good idea of exactly where the aircraft was. Zoltan figured out how to tweak his radars to get a better lock on stealth type targets.
--- The Serbs also set up a system of human observers, who would report on sightings of bombers entering Serbia, and track their progress.
--- The spies and observers enabled Zoltan to keep his radars on for a minimal amount of time. This made it difficult for the American SEAD (Suppression of Enemy Air Defenses) to use their HARM missiles (that homed in on radar transmissions.) Zoltan never lost a radar to a HARM missile.
--- Zoltan used the human spotters and brief use of radar, with short range shots at American bombers. The SA-3 was guided from the ground, so you had to use surprise to get an accurate shot in before the target used jamming and evasive maneuvers to make the missile miss. The F-117 he shot down was only 13 kilometers away.
Zoltan got some help from his enemies. The NATO commanders often sent their bombers in along the same routes, and didn't make a big effort to find out if hotshots like Zoltan were down there, and do something about it. Never underestimate your enemy.
Fighting with your brain first and your weapons second: How to Take Down an F-117
November 21, 2005: The Serbian battery commander, whose missiles downed an American F-16, and, most impressively, an F-117, in 1999, has retired, as a colonel, and revealed many of the techniques he used to achieve all this.
Colonel Dani Zoltan, in 1999, commanded the 3rd battery of the 250th Missile Brigade. The battery had four quad launchers for the 21 foot long, 880 pound SA-3 missiles. The SA-3 entered service in 1961 and, while it had undergone some upgrades, was considered a minor threat to NATO aircraft.
Zoltan was an example of how an imaginative and energetic leader can make a big difference.
The list of measures he took, and the results he got, should be warning to any who believe that superior technology alone will provide a decisive edge in combat. In addition to shooting down two aircraft, Zoltan's battery caused dozens of others to abort their bombing missions to escape his unexpectedly accurate missiles. This is how he did it.
--- Zoltan had about 200 troops under his command. He got to know them well, trained hard and made sure everyone could do what was expected of them. This level of quality leadership was essential, for Zoltan's achievements were a group effort.
--- Zoltan knew that his major foe was HARM (anti-radar) missiles and electronic detection systems used by the Americans, as well as smart bombs from aircraft who had spotted him. To get around this, he used landlines for all his communications (no cell phones or radio). This was more of a hassle, often requiring him to use messengers on foot or in cars. But it meant the American intel people overhead were never sure where he was.
--- His radars and missile launchers were moved frequently to avoid getting hit. His battery traveled over 100,000 kilometers during the NATO bombing campaign, and his troops knew all that effort was worth the effort.
--- The Serbs had spies outside the Italian airbase most of the bombers operated from. When the bombers took off, the information on what aircraft they were, and how many, quickly made it to Zoltan and the other battery commanders.
--- Zoltan studied all the information he could get on American stealth technology, and the F-117. He developed some ideas on how to beat stealth, based on the fact that the technology didn't make the F-117 invisible to radar, just very hard to get a good idea of exactly where the aircraft was. Zoltan figured out how to tweak his radars to get a better lock on stealth type targets.
--- The Serbs also set up a system of human observers, who would report on sightings of bombers entering Serbia, and track their progress.
--- The spies and observers enabled Zoltan to keep his radars on for a minimal amount of time. This made it difficult for the American SEAD (Suppression of Enemy Air Defenses) to use their HARM missiles (that homed in on radar transmissions.) Zoltan never lost a radar to a HARM missile.
--- Zoltan used the human spotters and brief use of radar, with short range shots at American bombers. The SA-3 was guided from the ground, so you had to use surprise to get an accurate shot in before the target used jamming and evasive maneuvers to make the missile miss. The F-117 he shot down was only 13 kilometers away.
Zoltan got some help from his enemies. The NATO commanders often sent their bombers in along the same routes, and didn't make a big effort to find out if hotshots like Zoltan were down there, and do something about it. Never underestimate your enemy.
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PoorOldSpike
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Retired USAF Lt Col Mike McGee (left) presents a painting he did of the incident to the shot-down pilot Lt Col Dale Zelko
The painting: LAST FLIGHT OF VEGA-31
The first SA-3 fails to fuse and flies harmlessly by, but the one coming up just behind did fuse properly and took down the F-117 (callsign Vega-31)
The pilot ejected and evaded Serbian patrols for 8 hours before a big rescue effort was able to pluck him out of enemy territory in the dead of night in bad weather
The painting: LAST FLIGHT OF VEGA-31
The first SA-3 fails to fuse and flies harmlessly by, but the one coming up just behind did fuse properly and took down the F-117 (callsign Vega-31)
The pilot ejected and evaded Serbian patrols for 8 hours before a big rescue effort was able to pluck him out of enemy territory in the dead of night in bad weather
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zaraza
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Most of these guys were radio amateurs, using their CB stations to announce where did they saw aircrafts, UAVs, or cruising missiles.
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PoorOldSpike
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This video is not the actual incident, but is good footage of a SA-3 Goa (S-125) launch -
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PoorOldSpike
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AirborneBob
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And primitive farmers would shoot down strike aircraft in Viet Nam.....technology can't beat determination!
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Lord Bane (FGM)
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I can understand the sentiment attached to the shoot down. It was quite an accomplishment. I would have to attribute it to luck though. In all honesty, if they could shoot down a stealth fighter why did they do so poorly at shooting down the non-stealth aircraft which basically bombed them at leisure. Still, an accomplishment of note.
Lord Bane
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zaraza
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Well, i must agree with you on that one...
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Bert Blitzkrieg
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I read (or heard on Televison) that it is possible to track/see stealth aircraft with a low frequency radarbeam. There are downsides to it, but I can't really recall. According to that article or program it was suspected that the F117 was shot down using this technique.