War By The Numbers

[Rico]

At the end of World War 1, France fielded the most aircraft: 4500

It started the war with less than 140 planes

During WW1 France built just over 68 000 planes, of which approx. 52 000 were lost in action.

That's a loss rate of 76%.

 

[Bootie]

For sure you didn't want to be a French pilot!

 

[Rico]

For sure you didn't want to be a French pilot!

Don't think the RFC numbers were much better.

 

[Bootie]

They were made out of plywood and canvas... what did they expect...

 

[Rico]

They were made out of plywood and canvas... what did they expect...

... and no parachutes ... even though they had been invented already.

 

[Bootie]

The Knights of the Sky don't need no damn parachutes.

 

[Rico]

Contrary to popular belief, as horrific as it was World war was not the bloodiest war in British history.

That honour goes to the English Civil War (1642 - 1651):

In England, a conservative estimate is that roughly 100,000 people died from war-related disease during the three civil wars. Historical records count 84,830 dead from the wars themselves. Counting in accidents and the two Bishops' wars, an estimate of 190,000 dead is achieved, out of a total population of about five million.

Estimates indicate that England suffered a 3.7% loss of population, Scotland a loss of 6%, while Ireland suffered a loss of 41% of its population. Putting these numbers into the context of other catastrophes helps to understand the devastation to Ireland in particular. The Great Hunger of 1845–1852 resulted in a loss of 16% of the population, while during the Second World War the population of the Soviet Union fell by 16%.

In comparison, in WW1, Britain suffered approximately 1 million casualties out of a 42 million population - 2.4% of population died in the war.

 

[Rico]

The Soviet MiG-21 holds the record as the most produced jet fighter in history, with 11 496 planes built in a wide range of variants during the Cold War.
It is the most-produced supersonic jet aircraft in aviation history and the most-produced combat aircraft since the Korean War, and it had the longest production run of a combat aircraft (1959 to 1985 over all variants)

The record for the most produced plane of all times goes to the humble little civilian Cessna 172... with over 43 000 built from 1956 to the present ... and it is still in production.

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[Bert Blitzkrieg]

Like those lists: best of, most of etc.

 

[Rico]

Here is an illustration disparity of industrial production capacity.

During World War 2 Germany produced 50 435 of the ubiquitous Kuebelwagen.

(It also produced 16 265 of amphibious Schwimmwagen variant of the above)

The US Jeep was produced in staggering numbers -- 643 000 were manufactured by Willys and Ford.

In fact, the USA could spare apprioximately 51 000 jeeps to send to he USSR as part of lend lease shipments.

This means that the USA sent as many if not more Jeeps to the Soviet Union than Germany's entire production run of the standard Kuebelwagen.

 

[Ithikial]

Stolen from another forum... sorry no sourcing but some of the numbers do appear in the ballpark to what I've read elsewhere.

Currency Conversion Rates.
1 USD = 5.31 Poland zloty.
1 USD = .21 British pound.
1 USD = 37.7 French frank.
1 USD = 2.5 German mark.
1 USD = 5.3 Russian rubles. Pegged artificially low. Actual rate should be about 1 USD per 10 rubles.
1 USD = 4 Swedish krona in 1935. This exchange rate bounced around a bit.

Small Arms.
$13. Luger P08 9mm pistol.
$15. M1911 .45cal pistol. This is a WWI price.
$24. MP40 SMG.
$26. MP44 assault rifle. This is a late war price when production costs were lower.
$26. M1917 Enfield rifle. WWI price.
$28. 7.92mm Mauser 98k rifle.
$31. 7.92mm wz.29 bolt action rifle (Poland).
$70. Thompson SMG. Spring 1942 price.
$83. M1 Garand rifle. Price is for July 1942 Winchester.
$100. MG42 machinegun. Late war price.
$105. M14 rifle. 1960 price.
$131. MG34 machinegun. The tripod costs an additional $160.
$270. 7.92mm wz.28 BAR (Poland).
$396. 7.92mm wz.30 HMG (Poland).

Anti Tank Guns.
$2,292. 3.7cm/45 Pak36.
$4,240. 5cm/60 Pak38
$4,800. 7.5cm/48 Pak40.

AA Guns.
$2,400. 2cm Flak38 (single barrel).
$13,440. 8.8cm Flak18.

Field Artillery.
$32. 105mm howitzer shell.
$14,400. Sd.Kfz.7 half track prime mover.
$324. 8cm mortar Gr.W.34.
$480. 12cm mortar Gr.W.42.
$6,560. 10.5cm leFH18 howitzer.
$15,400. 15cm sFH howitzer.

Armored Vehicles. These prices include weapons and other normally installed equipment.
$9,024. Sd.Kfz.7 medium half track (3 ton / infantry squad).
$20,000. Panzer MkIIC tank. 10 tons. 20mm autocannon. 15mm armor.
$34,181. 7TP light tank. 10 tons. 37mm main gun. 17mm armor.
$37,096. R35 light tank. 10 tons. 37mm main gun. 43mm armor.
$40,000. Panzer MkIIIG (and later) tank. 50mm main gun. 30mm armor.
$46,000. M4 (Sherman) tank. 35 tons. 75mm main gun.
$46,387. Panzer MkIVG (and later) tank. 75mm main gun. 50mm armor.
$60,000. Panzer MkV (Panther) tank. 75mm/70 main gun. 80mm armor.
$119,920. Panzer MkVIE (Tiger) tank. 88mm main gun. 100mm armor.

$30,943. T-34/76 tank. 164,000 rubles. Official exchange rate. Real USD price is roughly twice this amount.

Aircraft.
$23,000 P-36 fighter.
$50,000. F6F Hellcat fighter.

price data for 1941 for some German aircraft types, via Olaf Groehlers GdLK, 1910-1980:
Without engine / with engine, in Reichsmarks (RM)
Bf 109E : 58 000 / 85 970
Bf 110C : 155 800 / 210 140
He 111H : 203 900 / 265 650
Ju 88A : 245 200 / 306 950
Ju 87B : 100 300 / 131 175
Ju 52 : 125 800 / 163 000
Do 17 : 185 500 / 235 00

Type VII U boat. 2.5 million marks.
Lancaster heavy bomber. 42,000 pounds sterling. 1943 price. This price is not verified.

1940 Man hours required to build airframe.
4,000. Me-109 fighter.
10,300. Hurricane fighter.
15,200. Spitfire fighter. Another source states 13,000 man hours.
20,000. Ju-88 medium bomber.

1942 Man hours required to build airframe.
3,500. Me-109 fighter.
5,400. Fw-190 fighter.
12,000. P-51A fighter / dive bomber.
30,000. He-219 night fighter.

Aircraft Engine Prices.
$25,000 Packard built RR Merlin engine.
$19,000 Allison V-1710 engine.
$16,500 Wright R-2600 engine.
$ 11,188 DB601 engine. (27,970 marks)
$10,000 Wright R-1820 engine.
45,000 to 65,000 marks for a BMW801 engine during 1942.

$2,765,000 for a Gato class submarine.
$2 million for a Libety ship.
$10,800 for a DUKW
$12,500 for a LCVP.
2.5 million marks for a Type VII U boat.
48 million Yen for an Agano class CL.

 

[Rambler]

What year are those exchange rates from? I assume they're from the WW2 era. What's fun is to convert these to the actual worth of USDs today for apples to apples comparison. For example (All prices are USD):

$15 (1917) WW1 M1911 - $279.28 (2015)
$83 (1942) Winchester M1 - $1,213.51 (2015)
$100 (1944) MG42 - $1,354.07 (2015)
$28 (1941) K98k - $453.94 (2015)

$46,387 (1944) Panzer IV G - $628,111.61 (2015)
$119,920 (1942) Panzer VI E - $1,753,303.97 (2015)

$50,000 (1942) F6F Hellcat - $731,030.67 (2015)
$34,388 (1939) ME-109E - $589,583.50 (2015)

$1,000,000 (1940) Type VIIC U-Boat - $17,022,571.43 (2015)
$2,765,000 (1941) Gato Class Submarine - $44,826,104.76 (2015)

 

[Ithikial]

Sorry yeah, prices are from the historical period.

 

[Bert Blitzkrieg]

Surprisingly high price for the M1 Garand. More expensive then the Thopmson SMG and not that much cheaper then the MG42. And that for a gin whoch was standard issue.
The U-boat is surprsingly cheap. Especially when compared to the Gato class sub. Perhaps it has something to do with higher wages in the US?

 

[Bravo Charlie]

Not a huge number, but one that left one infantryman (an Aussie, I think) a bit bashful when reporting back to his HQ in the wake of Operation Compass, Western Egypt-Eastern Libya, and the fall of Bardia in late 1940: he stopped counting when the numbers of Italian prisoners who swarmed to surrender to him passed 2,000!

 

[Ithikial]

Not a huge number, but one that left one infantryman (an Aussie, I think) a bit bashful when reporting back to his HQ in the wake of Operation Compass, Western Egypt-Eastern Libya, and the fall of Bardia in late 1940: he stopped counting when the numbers of Italian prisoners who swarmed to surrender to him passed 2,000!

6th Australian Infantry Division during Compass. Sadly many of the same soldiers less than a year later met a similar fate in Greece and Crete.

It was actually one officer with a section of 8 riflemen the situation you are talking about. They stumbled upon then hiding in a cave and after no resistance marched them out in groups of 500 at a time. On average one section of Australian infantry was detailed to guard 500 prisoners as they marched west to holding pens. There was never a reported escape attempt by the captured Italians.

 

[Bravo Charlie]

Yep, that sounds familiar. I confess it was from my memory of reading an account about 10 years ago while I was playing OCS DAK II.

 

[Ithikial]

The recorded population of a little town in Normandy called Saint Lo in 1936 was 11,800 persons. Saint Lo as we all know was a major area of action between the American Army trying to push south from the beaches and it's commonly accepted that less than 10% of the pre-war town remained after the battle.

The next time a Census was conducted in 1946, the resident population had fallen by around half to just over 6,000 people. The population did not return to pre-war levels until sometime after 1954.

 

[Rico]

Allied bombing was always an extremely blunt weapon... more French civilians died under British & American bombs during World War 2 - 67 000+ , than did British civilians under German bombing - 60 595.

This included bombing campaigns from Sept '41 against the invasion barges, through to the preparations for D-Day and bombing during the Normandy battles ... in Caen alone, from 6 June-19 July 1944, about 3,000 french civilians lost their lives as Allied bombers quite pointlessly obliterated the town.

 

[Rambler]

Surprisingly high price for the M1 Garand. More expensive then the Thopmson SMG and not that much cheaper then the MG42. And that for a gin whoch was standard issue.

That $80 price was for an earlier production Winchester M1 Garand. Winchester was contracted to help produce M1s during the war, and, as a private company, had some profit built into the price. Springfield Armory, which produced the majority of M1s, was a federal run armory. IIRC SA was producing M1s toward the end of the war for $26-$28 due to the sheer volume of rifles being produced by that time.

SA produced 3,526,922 M1s from 1932 to 1945 while Winchester only produced 513,880 from 1940 to 1945 (http://www.scott-duff.com/WhoHowManyWhen.htm).

The U-boat is surprsingly cheap. Especially when compared to the Gato class sub. Perhaps it has something to do with higher wages in the US?

Yeah, that surprised me too. If wikipedia is to be believed, the VII actually cost around 4,189,000 RMs to make, which would put it around the same price as a Gato.