What do you think of this ?

[Bert Blitzkrieg]

In local elections in the Netherlands anti-islam party gains big support: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8548847.stm

Is this an international problem ? Are there more western countries in which populists gain massive support ? Are we sliding back into history some 65 years ago ?

 

[Jonny]

Unfortunately the British elected 2 (i think) representatives to the european parliament from The British Nationalist (AKA NAZI) Party and the BNP also have several local councilers, this worries me greatly.

Perhaps muslims are the new jews

 

[Bootie]

Its definitely an International problem. IMO National identites are getting destroyed by the spread of Islam. In the UK churches are closing making way for mosques which cater for huge numbers of immigrants and we sit idly by giving planning permission. That makes me sound like a racist but its not the case... here in the British Isles we are getting walked over. Examples follow.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1576443/Three-little-pigs-could-offend-builders-Muslims.html

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/view/35580/St-George-s-parade-scrapped-in-case-it-upsets-Muslims/

http://www.observer.com/2009/culture/spotted-piglet-hiccups-boozy-breslin-clashes-mosque#

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/personal-view/3632591/The-shadow-cast-by-a-mega-mosque.html

http://www.bedfordtoday.co.uk/541/Muslims-oppose-Tesco-booze-bid.4517977.jp

Riduiculous... can you imagine if the roles were reversed.

 

[Cargol]

I dont think that its a problem people to decide which party or political agenda suits them better.After all this is the meaning of Democracy.
Also by putting labels ,to parties or political organisations,such as extreme right, ultra nationalists, Muslim hunters etc i think i is a smart way to manipulate public opinion and not a Democratic practice at all.

 

[2054172]

wooo back gentlemen ...one has to look at a bigger picture here. First I want to make it clear I DO NOT HATE MUSLIMS.
I believe we will see more of this type of thing in our western countries, not necessarily a bad thing. People are starting to wake up to the Islamic agenda, total world religion of their type which will slowly and I mean slowly take the reigns of power in different countries as they grow in numbers. If one looks at birth stats of the western world we are loosing pace... the muslims are not we will be bread out of office sooner or later. As long as immigration rules stay as they are. We in the west feel we are more enlightened and open our arms to all races and cultures and wabt harmony and co existance...all fine and dandy in a perfect world. The agend of islam is world domination, as more of them get elected and so on and so on...they will become the majority and we the minority. Then their laws and religion will wear our rights and freedoms away as we know it.
We don't want to impose our religion on them but they have now problem if the roles were reversed. Just look at a few of their countries, Iran, Syria, Soudi Arabia... go there and try and ask for rights and freedoms as a minority, we will send a search party out in a few day to find your body in a ditch somewhere.
i know this sounds intolerant etc... but it is a fact...and just a matter of time.

 

[Jonny]

Its definitely an International problem. IMO National identites are getting destroyed by the spread of Islam. In the UK churches are closing making way for mosques which cater for huge numbers of immigrants and we sit idly by giving planning permission. That makes me sound like a racist but its not the case... here in the British Isles we are getting walked over. Examples follow.

Most of those are either officials who are overly worried about offending the muslim population, and probably hence losing votes and their jobs, or they are protests from the more vocal component of the muslim community. As allways its the people with the most extreme views that will get the news headlines, but suggesting that these are the views of the majority of the muslim community is a bit of a stretch.

For example, the majority of off licenses around here are owned by muslims, the majority of british muslims realise that this isn't a muslim country but as we are such a tolerant society we allow people to practice their religion and culture in peace and the vast majority return the favor

 

[Jonny]

The agend of islam is world domination, as more of them get elected and so on and so on...they will become the majority and we the minority.

As once was the agenda of christianity, remember when we used to send missionaries around the world? And not every muslim believes in this, i would doubt if the majority even does

Just look at a few of their countries, Iran, Syria, Soudi Arabia... go there and try and ask for rights and freedoms as a minority

Yes these countrys have terrible records on human rights, but these are terrible cultural perversions on Islam, i mean take a look at turkey, a muslim country but with a great modern history of secularism

 

[Bootie]

Most of those are either officials who are overly worried about offending the muslim population, and probably hence losing votes and their jobs, or they are protests from the more vocal component of the muslim community.

Ok... now put the boot on the other foot. Reverse the role. Do you think Muslim officials would worry about offending non-Muslims.... I dont think so... this would get them more votes. Would YOU complain that shops DONT sell alcohol in a Muslim country?

 

[Cargol]

Wherever Muslims are the minority they are complaining about human rights and freedom of choice wherever are the majority there is only one way, their way.
Most western countries have the luck not to have taste Muslim practices and tolerance first hand this is why many people still believing that they just want to practice their religion and thats all.
Its amazing how people still cant get that their ultimate goal is to dominate the world in religius but also in political terms.

 

[2054172]

As once was the agenda of christianity, remember when we used to send missionaries around the world? And not every muslim believes in this, i would doubt if the majority even does

All religions try and convert others to their fold so to speak... I believe the majority do not and are not even aware of the agenda...but those in power at the top of Islam are and do.

Yes these countrys have terrible records on human rights, but these are terrible cultural perversions on Islam, i mean take a look at turkey, a muslim country but with a great modern history of secularism

Turkey is playing a game with the west...ask any Kurdish Person how turkey treats them ...or Armenien if you can find one.

 

[Nathangun]

........ i mean take a look at turkey, a muslim country but with a great modern history of secularism

They have human rights issues as well, hence they ain't allowed into the E.U. until that gets cleared up.

 

[Jonny]

Would YOU complain that shops DONT sell alcohol in a Muslim country?

No, because it would probably land me in jail or worse. This is one of the downsides of our free and tolerant society, but it's a price worth paying IMO

 

[Jonny]

They have human rights issues as well, hence they ain't allowed into the E.U. until that gets cleared up.

Yes, i wasn't saying Turkey was perfect, just that because the majority of a countries population are muslim it doesn't necessarily mean it will be a religious goverment.

 

[Bootie]

No, because it would probably land me in jail or worse. This is one of the downsides of our free and tolerant society, but it's a price worth paying IMO

Times are changing though. Our free and tolerant society is becoming less tolerant. People can only get pushed and cajoled so much before they react. And it wont be a slow burner it will explode...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/1702799.stm

 

[Jonny]

Incidentally there is a pub in Rotherham called the Belvadere, across the road is a big old house in which a teatotal man lived, he consistently opposed the pub getting a licence to sell anything stronger than beers, i bet no one at the time said the teatotalers were trying to destroy british culture

 

[Cargol]

i mean take a look at turkey, a muslim country but with a great modern history of secularism

How modern is this Joony?

And this?
<a href="http://s215.photobucket.com/albums/cc302/cargol/?action=view&current=priest_arrest_600_bg.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc302/cargol/priest_arrest_600_bg.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>
Orthodox priest during Turkish invasion of Cyprus

And this?

Christian cemetery after the visit of civilised Turks

 

[Bootie]

Ok guys... lets not all jump on Jonny... he is entitled to his opinion as much as the rest of us.

Getting back to the original question do you think anti-Muslim parties are gaining more support from the public.

Without a doubt I would say yes.

 

[2054172]

Jonny as you can see there are strong feelings here about this...may be your views are colour by an eductaion system that preaches only tolerance. You are allowed your opinion but we will disagree on this one. You are a good friend and players of CM, the later being in doubt but we will still sort that out on the battle field. LOL

 

[Cargol]

I wasnt meening any offence and for sure Joony is a good friend and a good CM player the latter can be confirmed by the win-lose ratio on our games
I was just trying to point out that, what some contries that had the luck to be located near Muslim countries knew years earlier is what other countries are just starting to realise

 

[2054172]

I wasnt meening any offence and for sure Joony is a good friend and a good CM player the latter can be confirmed by the win-lose ratio on our games
I was just trying to point out that, what some contries that had the luck to be located near Muslim countries knew years earlier is what other countries are starting to realise

No worries cargol, we agree with that...it did look like a game we have over here called pile on the rabbit. Bootie was just wanting to keep a cool handle on things.