Damn politicians

I sing from that same hymn book too. But, I know a lot of people (my father being one) that believe the minor party's don't make laws, and if you want to change laws you have to vote in the major party's. They think voting for a minor party is a waste, because they don't hold the power. You have to vote for the lesser of the two evils, or the major party that is closest to your core beliefs, he says. Just one of many things my father and I have spirited discussions about, and are on complete opposites about. He wants to keep the Queen as 'figure head of state' and the Union Jake in our flag, See how weird his thinking is. :loco:
 
He want to keep the Queen as 'figure head of state'

I am with you there...same issues here in The Great White North...our Govenor General is the biggest waste of money from the Canadian Tax payer.

I have voted for the small parties in the past so that some of their ideas get adopted by the larger parties who will do anything not to lose votes.
 
The thing is how do you believe anything any politicians say. In Australia in Nov 2007 Kevin Rudd was voted in to power on a lot of promises, that got a lot of votes. Here is a full list of Kevin Rudd's quotes, lies, contradictions, broken promises, and political failures. I have compiled this purely on fact, and it will show you why he probably won't get a second term. A lot of people who voted for him will never vote labor again. He has been described by some as the worst Prime Minster since federation in 1901

-"More than ever, Australia needs a government that will help the nation fulfill its promise rather than a government which makes promises it cannot fulfill.' - Kevin Rudd, 2007.

- Kevin Rudd promised $290 million to be spent on improved dental care for Australians. Reneged on this post-election.

- Kevin Rudd promised a federal takeover of hospitals should their performance not drastically improve by July 2009. Never happened.

- Kevin Rudd pledged to build 36 GP 'super clinics' - of which there are currently 2 in operation.

- Kevin Rudd destroyed the Howard Government’s border protection policies, with the following result of illegal arrivals by boat, listed by financial year:
2007/2008 - 25 arrivals.
2008/2009 - 1033 arrivals.
2009/2010 - 2501 arrivals as of Feb 2nd 2010.

- Kevin Rudd also slammed the Howard Government's Pacific Solution, which involved paying poor Pacific nations to detain asylum seekers. Rudd now pays Indonesia to do it.

- Kevin Rudd proposed a national high-speed broadband network, budgeted at $4.7 billion. Almost immediately after election this was scrapped and replaced with a new plan, with a budget of $43 billion.

- Pre-election Kevin Rudd promised to keep fuel and grocery prices down - a feat he must have known to be impossible. Labor launched Fuelwatch and Grocerywatch websites at huge cost to taxpayers, promptly shutting them down when they proved completely ineffective.

- Kevin Rudd quietly reversed his decision to no longer make temporary residents sell their houses when they leave the country.

- Kevin Rudd promised to keep interest rates down. To be fair, he got them down - by destroying the Australian economy. They are now steadily rising again, with the country in massive debt, as banks announce record profits by charging well over the cash interest rate.

- Kevin Rudd promised to build 260 childcare centres on school grounds. On April 22 2010 he made a junior minister announce that this had been scrapped.

- Kevin Rudd promised a laptop for every Australian schoolchild, which has still not been anywhere near delivered.

- Pre-election Kevin Rudd promised to initiate legal proceedings against Iran President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad on a charge of incitement to genocide, but never did.

- Kevin Rudd said 'I am an economic conservative' prior to the election... before immediately becoming the highest-spending PM in Australia's history, accumulating $200 billion of debt in 12 months in office.

- Kevin Rudd slammed the Howard Goverment's commitment of troops to Iraq and Afghanistan while in opposition... despite maintaining a presence in Iraq and INCREASING troop numbers in Afghanistan after being elected.

- Kevin Rudd increased tax on alcopops(premixed alcoholic drinks in cans) by 70%, claiming it was to curb teen binge drinking, only to see sales of straight spirits skyrocket.

- Pre-election Kevin Rudd promised to take Japan to the international courts to stop whaling. Post-election this was watered down to 'we'll do everything in our power', then finally to 'I don't have a magic wand'.

- While in opposition Kevin Rudd was vocal in his criticism of John Howard for living in Kirribilli House, saying it wasted taxpayers dollars on travel between Sydney and Canberra. He promised if he was elected he would live solely at The Lodge. He now spends a great deal of his time at Kirribilli House.

- Kevin Rudd promised to keep the Medicare Rebate at 30%, however reneged on this post-election, deciding to means test the rebate for singles earning over $74,000 and couples earning over $150,000, forcing more people back into the crippled public health system.

- Pre-election Julia Gillard slammed the Howard Govt's 'cruel' limitations on Medicare rebates for IVF treatments. Post-election Kevin Rudd places caps on all IVF treatments, all obstetric services, and some ultrasounds.

- Kevin Rudd allocated $672 million to building remote indigenous housing in the Northern Territory. As at Jan 30 2010, not one house has been built.

- Pre-election Kevin Rudd criticised John Howard's NT intervention policies, saying it treated Aborigines as 2nd class citizens. He has now EXPANDED on those policies.

- In early 2009 Kevin Rudd declared that on the first sitting day of parliament each year, he would deliver an update on the progress of 'closing the gap' on Aboriginal well-being. This didn't happen in 2009 OR 2010.

- Kevin Rudd does not know how many people live in Australia. He said on the 7:30 Report 'there are 21 million of us', when there are actually over 22 million Australians.

- Kevin Rudd took more than 3 times the amount of people to Copenhagen as the UK did, at enormous expense to taxpayers, for no result. He also changed his travel plans twice to co-incide with Barack Obama.

- Before the election Kevin Rudd pledged to hold a referendum on fixed four year terms for federal parliament. This is no longer happening.

- Pre-Copenhagen Kevin Rudd said Australia would do 'no more, but no less' than the rest of the world on tackling climate change. When no agreement was reached, he declared he would go ahead with his ETS.

- Kevin Rudd callously refused to meet with Australian farmer Peter Spencer, despite him risking death by engaging on a 52 day hunger strike. During this time Kevin Rudd found time for a holiday in Tasmania, and several stints commentating the cricket.

- Kevin Rudd has declared alcohol abuse as a blight on Australia's culture, despite admitting to being too drunk to remember events at a New York strip club.

- Australia's carbon emissions have increased 3% since Kevin Rudd was elected.

- Kevin Rudd and Labor's $2.45 billion home insulation scheme failed dismally, with dodgy operators profiteering off government grants, 120 house fires, up to 1000 electrified roofs, and four deaths of installers due to lack of adequate training. Prior to the scheme Peter Garrett wrote four letters to Kevin Rudd warning him his department was not able to handle the roll-out. The letters were ignored and Kevin Rudd refuses to publicly release them. Rudd has now defied calls to front a Senate inquiry into the debacle.

- Labor's $16.2 billion school stimulus scheme was equally disasterous, with schools given funding to be spent on projects they don't need, and more widespread profiteering from contractors, with examples such as shade cloths worth $250,000 being installed at a cost of $1,000,000.

- Kevin Rudd, December 2009: "Global warming is the great moral and economic challenge of our time. The resolve of the Australian government is clear - we choose action. Action now. Not action delayed. The clock is ticking for the planet." In April 2010 Kevin Rudd announced that any action on an ETS will be delayed until 2013 - two elections away.

- The Henry Tax review, which cost taxpayers $20 million, made 138 recommendations for a 'revolutionary' new tax system. Rudd intends to implement THREE of these recommendations - at the bargain price of $6.7 million per recommendation.

- Unsurprisingly, Labor have removed the list of their original election promises from their official website.

"The buck stops with me." - Kevin Rudd
 
I've been reading up on Rudd on the net and my take on him is that he's basically a nice guy who made his pre-election promises in good faith, but after he was elected he realised that solving most of Australia's problems was beyond his knowhow, and now he's feeling embarrassed and red-faced. In other words, he talked the talk but can't walk the walk.
Interestingly he's always had a strong christian background, and that could be part of the problem. I'm guessing that he's the "Fatalistic" brand of christian, there are a lot of them about, basically they go through life putting themselves entirely in the hands of God and trusting in him completely to guide them.
As a result they forget how to think and don't lift a finger to help themselves, resulting in them fumbling and bumbling their way through life, trusting to God that they're making the right decisions.
I've met people like that, and the impression I have of them is that they're mindless disorganised empty-headed wishy-washy robots who get christianity a bad name, so I avoid them.
The fact is, God wants us to help ourselves, not blindly trust in him all the time-
"For God did not give us a spirit of timidity, but a spirit of power, of love and of selfdiscipline" (2 Tim 1:7)
 
I've been reading up on Rudd on the net and my take on him is that he's basically a nice guy who made his pre-election promises in good faith, but after he was elected he realised that solving most of Australia's problems was beyond his knowhow, and now he's feeling embarrassed and red-faced. In other words, he talked the talk but can't walk the walk.
Interestingly he's always had a strong christian background, and that could be part of the problem. I'm guessing that he's the "Fatalistic" brand of christian, there are a lot of them about, basically they go through life putting themselves entirely in the hands of God and trusting in him completely to guide them.
As a result they forget how to think and don't lift a finger to help themselves, resulting in them fumbling and bumbling their way through life, trusting to God that they're making the right decisions.
I've met people like that, and the impression I have of them is that they're mindless disorganised empty-headed wishy-washy robots who get christianity a bad name, so I avoid them.
The fact is, God wants us to help ourselves, not blindly trust in him all the time-
"For God did not give us a spirit of timidity, but a spirit of power, of love and of selfdiscipline" (2 Tim 1:7)

POS you are getting only part of the story. He is one of the 'put on the act as a christian in front of the punters' type of bloke. I didn't put in the times he was caught out swearing at and abusing his female staff members, which has happened a number of times. Mark Latham is the man that Kevin Rudd took over from as Opposition leader after the 2004 election loss, and was therefore Kevin Rudds boss. Latham released a book recently called the "Latham Diaries". It give's a good idea of the man Rudd really is. Rudd is mentioned on no fewer than 40 occasions in his diaries and he never finds one good thing to say about him. Here are just a few quotes from his book.

Rudd’s Foreign Policy

Monday 24th March 2003, Page 217

“War in Iraq and Simon has got himself into a terrible tangle. The basic lesson: never listen to Rudd on foreign policy. If that guy is an expert then I’m Henry Kissinger.â€

Page 218

Today Rudd was even worse. At 9.15 am he played a role in drafting the troops resolution at Shadow Cabinet but at 5.00pm at the National Right Meeting after Robert Ray attacked the wording Rudd stood up and disowned it calling it hopeless. I’m still shaking my head in disbelief that it was the same person at both meetings. He’s an incredible piece of work.

Rudd on Trust
Saturday, 22nd November 2003, Page 243

All the snakes are sliding around in the grass feeding their poison to Seccombe (SMH Journalist): Rudd, Swan, Albanese, Tanner and Comb-over.

Page 249

It is amazing that the journalist couldn’t see through him. Two factors: they are lazy and dumb and Rudd is a fanatical media networker. He is addicted to it worse than Heroin.

Wednesday, 14 April 2004, Page 280

I’ve had a suspicion for some time now that Rudd has been feeding mat¬erial to Oakes. Decided to set him up, telling Kevvie about our focus groups on Iraq. No such research exists-Gartrell says he’s doing some quantita¬tive polling but not focus groups. Today, right on cue, Jabba has written in the Bulletin: ‘The Labor Party’s polling firm has been busily running focus groups to test the public mood following Latham’s ‘troops -out’ announce¬ment. The most significant finding, I understand, is overwhelming support for the alliance with the United States’.
Trapped him. Two weeks ago in New Zealand, I announced our inten¬tion to have a Minister for the Pacific Islands. That’s the job I’ll give Rudd if we win. Joel thinks I’m joking, but I’m deadly serious. Rudd is a terrible piece of work: addicted to the media and leaking. A junior minister in Government, at best.

Rudd’s Vanity

Saturday, 30th December 2003, Page 256

Kevvie wanted his title expanded to the more grandiose Shadow Minister for Foreign Affairs and International Security. No worries, but then he rang me last Sunday to say he objected to McClelland also having the word `Security’ in his title. At first I thought it was some kind of joke, but the crazy ******* was serious: he had a long and absurd argument about the alleged overlap between the two jobs. I suggested he talk to McClelland, hoping to never hear from him again.

By the end of the day, Rudd was threatening to go to the backbench, over a question of semantics. I told him I was willing to accept his resigna¬tion and he went away to think about it. The ideal contingency plan was McMullan to Foreign Affairs and then I could save face with Coxie in Finance. Rudd called at about 11 p.m. and backed down, allowing the announcement to go ahead the next day.

Friday 22nd October 2004, Page 364

Another slice of Caucus chaos: Kevin Rudd. On Wednesday, ‘ The Australian ‘ carried a front-page story saying that if Rudd didn’t became Shadow Treasurer he would go to the backbench. My thoughts went back to December last year and his tantrum over his title. He’s such a prima donna

Rudd came around to see me yesterday morning, lobbying to be Shadow Treasurer. He went into a long explanation of why he’s so wonderful. When he finished I put my cards on the table: that I regard him as disloyal and unreli-able, and he only holds his frontbench position because of his media profile and public standing among people who have never actually met him. I also told him that if the newspaper report was true, he should get ready for the backbench, as there was no way I could give him the Shadow Treasury.
He appeared surprised, protested his innocence and then broke down badly, sobbing over the recent death of his mother, just before polling day. I told him to leave work and go back to Brisbane to rest with his family. But he wouldn’t give up. Even though he was crying, he kept on lobbying to be Shadow Treasurer. It was becoming quite sad. Then he said words that I will never forget: ‘I swear on my mother’s grave that The Australian story is wrong, totally wrong, and that I’ve been loyal to you and will continue to be loyal to your leadership’.

I don’t mind people bull****ting to me in politics, but not like this. Last week he rang around Caucus to gauge the mood after our loss, and told Trish Crossin that my leadership was on notice: I had until the Budget Reply speech next May to prove myself. He’s always bagging me to journal-ists and that’s not going to change any time soon. I don’t trust him, no matter what he says
 
So it looks like Rudd put on a phoney facade and made lots of election promises to con people to vote for him, but now he's PM everybody can see he's total krap.
No prob, if the Aussie voters have got any sense they can simply vote him out at the next elections, otherwise they're a bunch of galahs as bad as Brit voters..;)
 
Yep the thing is nobody will admit that they voted for him, and if he gets in for a second term, you'll have to put up with me in person, I'm moving to England. :)
 
POLITICIAN QUOTES

1. “Queen Elizabeth Taylor.” – Thai Prime Minister Banharn Silpa-archa, referring to the Queen of England.
2. “In Iran, we don’t have homosexuals, like in your country." – Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, referring to the USA while addressing Columbia University
3. "I would never approach a small-breasted woman." – President Clinton, denying that he had sexually harassed Kathleen Willey.
4. “Life has become better, life has become more fun!” - Josef Stalin at the peak of mass repressions organized by him at the end of 1930s.
5. “I am not a communist and neither is the revolutionary movement.” – Fidel Castro. But he also said: “I am a Marxist-Leninist and I will be one until the last day of my life.”
6. "Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we." – George W. Bush, August 5, 2004
7. "This is a great day for France!" – President Richard Nixon at French President Charles de Gaulle's funeral.
8. "I've now been in 57 states – I think one left to go." – Barack Obama at a campaign event in Beaverton, Oregon.
9. “We are not without accomplishment. We have managed to distribute poverty equally.” – Nguen Co Thatch, Vietnamese Foreign Minister.
10. “I was in Germany over the weekend and President Putin of Germany gave one of the old Cold War speeches as he addressed the conference there.” -Senator John McCain in his presidential run
 
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