Something's strange going on at Battlefront

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While the discussions at the BFC forums already had a very bad smell, where they set up rules not to discuss politics while Steve Grammont broke the own rules and claimed Russia was the aggressor and even attacked the Russian president ad hominem, and then this discussion became even more strange, when Grammont was repeating NATO-claims without the slightest evidence, now the discussion has turned almost surreal:

In his answer to one of the very few voices, daring to question his views, he wrote:
Sergius, on 15 Jan 2015 - 6:14 PM, said:

Don't buy that for a second. How could a country not know about military stockpiles on it's territory after 20+ years?...

The days of believing that the separatists have armed themselves should be long gone and dead. It was never, ever, even for 1 day true. Weapons have always been coming in from Russia along with "volunteers". Always.

At the beginning the mandate to the separatists was to arm themselves as much as possible in order to keep up the illusion that the conflict was a civil war and not a state sponsored invasion. But it was nothing but an illusion and those of us paying attention to the details saw that the truth within days of the first armed takeovers. Not that it surprised me at all, considering this was built into the Black Sea story years before
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Plus, since this time the amount of hardware in Donbas that has never, ever been in Ukrainian or Soviet hands has steadily increased. I just posted a video of roughly 11 vehicles that are recent production and only number in the low hundreds. They are absolutely Russian military.

So please, I am begging here, let us not once again start down the road of denying that this is an invasion already, not a civil war. If you disagree, kindly do not post that you do. It insults both my intelligence and yours.

Steve

I find that an extremely strange behaviour for a businessman with a small customer base torwards customers. This behaviour is not only extemely unprofessional, it shows an anti-business stance and in my opinion is damaging the business. Does anyone know a company that has chiefs that act that way in PR?
I mean in Europe a majority is not sharing the view of the Western establishment in this conflict. Why is a small company's chief taking the position of the establishment when his customers are divided?
Why is he defending the propaganda of one side without any evidences?
This does not make sense from a business point of view.
I just visited the Graviteam homepage and forums - although they are a Ukrainian company, I could not say, what their personal opinion was about the current conflict or the forces they model.
Although they and their beloved ones are most probably personally hit somehow. That's professionalism.

It just doesn't make sense for a company which wants to sell also in Russia and Europe, to be openly an agent of the propaganda of one side.
The only explanation I have, is that individual retail customers are not (any longer?) their only source of revenue.
 
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I mean in Europe a majority is not sharing the view of the Western establishment in this conflict.
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The only explanation I have, is that individual retail customers are not (any longer?) their only source of revenue.
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You got one thing right, Battlefront forums are shit.
 
To be honest I would rather we raise ourselves above taking digs against other clubs/companies who have no membership here and therefore cannot defend themselves or give their opinions or replies. The FGM is not to be used as a mouth piece for disgruntled wargamers to cast their grievances. We are called the Few Good Men for a specific reason. Bear that in mind henceforth.
 
To be honest I would rather we raise ourselves above taking digs against other clubs/companies who have no membership here and therefore cannot defend themselves or give their opinions or replies. The FGM is not to be used as a mouth piece for disgruntled wargamers to cast their grievances. We are called the Few Good Men for a specific reason. Bear that in mind henceforth.

Here here.
 
To be honest I would rather we raise ourselves above taking digs against other clubs/companies who have no membership here and therefore cannot defend themselves or give their opinions or replies. The FGM is not to be used as a mouth piece for disgruntled wargamers to cast their grievances. We are called the Few Good Men for a specific reason. Bear that in mind henceforth.

The reason I am here, for good fun and camaraderie.
 
I’ve never really had a major problem with the BF forums. Yeah there are always a few loose cannons and weird posts but that occurs across the internet.

The forum thread Volksgrenadier is referring to was an initial question about the strategic capabilities of either side, not about the political reasons for the current conflict so that’s probably why they are letting the thread continue. I don’t know enough about the current strategic situation in Ukraine to offer a challenge to Steve’s views on the matter but it’s obvious others going up against him don’t either… but they are still posting.

Like or hate BF’s business policies or how they interact with their client base via their own forums, it doesn’t really matter to us at the end of the day. You can complain all you want but you still buy their end product because you like Combat Mission. How do I know this? Because you’re here on a largely Combat Mission club fan forum talking to other wargaming fanatics/tragics. If you don’t like Combat Mission or really hate BF based on some online posts, then stop buying there product. Hey if there are a few thousands others who have the same views and decide to not buy their product then I’m sure BF will change there ways very quickly. The need to eat is a powerful stimulus to have a good business model. I’m sure the BF crew is business savvy enough to know if their plans and their relationship with their customers is working or not. Given their family based game system and development model is still going (after what 3 years?), seems to suggest they are plodding along alright.

If the above makes me a ‘fan boy’ so be it. I’m just here to talk shop and watch pretty explosions… just like you. :)
 
My apologies in advance, for I am going to hijack your thread to post a most interesting experience in dealing with BF Tech support.
I was having trouble getting my CMBN up to 3.11, so I made a ticket in Tech Support. it took about a month of back and forth to fix the problem, but all is working now, thanks to the aid of none other than former FGMer Elvis (John Costello).
 
Nothing to apologize. At least it is company related and not a fanboi ad hominem attack. ;)
I also have made good experiences with John C. He acts professional and treats customers like customers should be treated, which almost feells like he was working for a different company, compared to their forums (also their second programmer behaves like a pro).
But as the saying goes, the rot starts at the top.
 
http://community.battlefront.com/to...ctical-realities-in-cmbs/page-39#entry1574105

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ikalugin, on 23 Jan 2015 - 06:05 AM, said:

The room for diplomacy is open, it is just that the terms are mutually non acceptable and either side is really interested in upholding Minsk agreements.


Correct. Russia wants a chunk of Ukraine cut off from Ukraine in addition to the other bit (Crimea) it took by direct military force. Ukraine (for some crazy reason) doesn't agree to those terms.

And with that I'm going to lock this thread up. Here's a warning for a would be third attempt at restarting this debate. I'm not going to put up with people trying to redefine reality. ...
Steve

No time to answer customer questions or complaints in the forums, but all time to post politically motivated comments and denying customers to dispute them by quickly locking threads up and threatening customers by questioning the personal opinion of Battlefront.
And the spineless yesmen buying their products don't dare to raise a word of criticism. :D
Sheeple being treated as sheeple.
 
Everyone will have an opinion in this regard, but I think we are not a political club.
We are here together, borders on all combined to have fun with our hobby and if we all here know us better, then we will have a better future than fathers and grandfathers had our
 
You don't get it. I do what I can. But if customers do not recognize they should raise their voice against an incredible unprofessional behaviour, the future of CM becomes worse and worse.
Do you believe people working for Steve like such a behaviour? I don't think so. But if not even the customers raise their voice, how on earth could any employee of the company say that this behaviour was harming their business?
Jesus, is this really too complicated to understand?!
 
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You don't get it. I do what I can. But if customers do not recognize they should raise their voice against an incredible unprofessional behaviour, the future of CM becomes worse and worse.
Do you believe people working for Steve like such a behaviour? I don't think so. But if not even the customers raise their voice, how on earth could any employee of the company say that this behaviour was harming their business?
Jesus, is this really too complicated to understand?!

As one of the owners of BF, Steve can do what wants in respect to the company's infrastructure and that includes web forums. As I said previously if you think CM is getting worse then stop buying it. If there is enough people who think just like you then BF will change tactics or go under.

If you want more 'professional service' on a web forum I'm sure Ubisoft, EA and Activision have great and highly trained Public Relations people looking over their own forums. You won't get much information or discussion about their games out of them but everyone will feel warm and cozy. It's good to see the staff of a small company engaging with their clients and even having the stomach to pull them up when something they say is wrong or debate them about something going on in the world. To BF credit they've always responded to loud enough suggestions from their community about why they are not doing something with just as much detail in their response when they outline something they are doing. Look at the posts about why CM isn't on Steam for a good example.

Last warning. FGM isn't here to be an alternative CM community to try and drum up support for some protest movement against Battlefront or any other wargaming company. We're here for three things:
- Talk about history
- Talk about wargaming
- Appreciate Kate Upton
 
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You don't get it. I do what I can. But if customers do not recognize they should raise their voice against an incredible unprofessional behaviour, the future of CM becomes worse and worse.
Do you believe people working for Steve like such a behaviour? I don't think so. But if not even the customers raise their voice, how on earth could any employee of the company say that this behaviour was harming their business?
Jesus, is this really too complicated to understand?!

Who says that I want to criticize the behavior of Steve?
 
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