Top 10 Myths about the war in Afghanistan.

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10. “There has been significant progress in tamping down the insurgency in Afghanistan.”

9. Afghans want the US and NATO troops to stay in their country because they feel protected by them.

  • Fact: In a recent [pdf] poll, only 36% of Afghans said they were confident that US troops could provide security. Only 32% of Afghans now have a favorable view of the United States’ aid efforts in their country over-all.
Dec. 6, 2010, ABC/BBC et al. poll of Afghans

8. The “surge” and precision air strikes are forcing the Taliban to the negotiating table.

7. The US presence in Afghanistan is justified by the September 11 attacks.

6. Afghans still want US troops in their country, despite their discontents.

5. The presidential elections of 2009 and the recent parliamentary elections were credible and added to the legitimacy of Afghanistan’s government.

4. President Hamid Karzai is “a key ally” of the United States.

3. Shiite Iran is arming the hyper-Sunni, Shiite-hating Taliban in Afghanistan.

  • Fact: Secretary of Defense Robert M. Gates told Italian Foreign Minister Franco Frattini last February “that intelligence indicated there was little lethal material crossing the Afghanistan-Iran border.” This according to a wikileaks cable.
2. Foreigners are responsible for much of Afghanistan’s fabled corruption.

1. The US is in Afghanistan to fight al-Qaeda.

  • Fact: CIA director Leon Panetta admitted that there are only 50-100 al-Qaeda operatives in Afghanistan! The US is mainly fighting two former allies among the Mujahidin whom Ronald Reagan dubbed “freedom fighters” and the “equivalent of America’s founding fathers:” Gulbaddin Hikmatyar and his Hizb-i Islami, and Jalaluddin Haqqani and his Haqqani Network. These two organizations, which received billions from the US congress to fight the Soviets in the 1980s, are more deadly and important now than the ‘Old Taliban’ of Mulla Omar. The point is that they are just manifestations of Pashtun Muslim nationalism, and not eternal enemies of the United States (being former allies and clients and all). Hikmatyar has roundly denounced al-Qaeda.
 
There are no proper wars anymore... just dark and murky businesses in which even the people who started them no longer know what's going on.
 
All wars suck...money, lives, and lastly honest from every one soul it seems to me.
And where one awash a super poor county like Afghanistan with tons of USA green backs, no big surprise you get corruption as the end result. Saw it happen in Vietnam in the 70's, pure corruption on every level.
with the Pakistani government complicit.
No one can expect Pakistani to follow America foreign policy from the start/2001, for they following their own...empire building. Planning to control Afghanistan in the future. But what the Pakistani didn't/can't see that will never happen, with China, India, Russian, Iran and America will always be involved too.
 
The West wants Afghanistans oil, that's the only real reason for the war.
So the main objective is to install a pro-west Afgh government so we can pull our troops out and start buying their oil.
Therefore the sensible Taliban strategy would simply be to vanish into the hills and wait a couple of years for coalition troops to go home.
 
"The West wants Afghanistans oil, that's the only real reason for the war." C'mon POS! Tell me you don't really believe that. Now you're just getting silly with us.
While the U.S. success in Afghanistan against the Taliban has not been as complete as desired, being there just for a miniscule source of oil sometime in the future in such a hostile environment would hardly be an economic panacea.
Besides, the U.S. is getting all the oil it needs out of Iraq, right?
 
I recently researched the question on the web "When will the world's oil run out" and the general consensus among most oil industry experts, wheeler-dealers and big shots was "sometime this century".
Notice most of them say it'll NEVER run out, they say it WILL run out one day.

Another relevant question is "When will the worlds oil BEGIN to run out, i.e. when will demand exceed supply?"
The consensus answer to that one is that it began to run out around this very year, 2010, and from now on it's downhill all the way.

Hence the western governments states of blind panic.
Getting Afghan's oil will at least stave off the final Big Dry-up for a little longer.

I heard Obama say on TV a while back- "Our aim is not to defeat the Taliban but to contain them and prevent them spreading their influence"
In other words it's in our interest to 'contain' them because they're interfering with the west's attempts to install a friendly Afghan govt that will sell us oil.

Churchill put it nicely- "In war, one has neither friends nor enemies, only interests"
 
Afghanistan issue is far too complicated to be solved, too many players each of them with its own agenda.
-Pakistan always fearing that it will have another dangerous neighbour from the West(except India from the East) plus the fact that it includes also a Pashtun minority (in the tribal zone area)that
always dreamed of a Pashtun country(majority of Taliban are Pashtun,birthplace of their movement Kandahar where Pashtuns are the majority).
-India want to place a thorn on Pakistan's side by obtaining any kind of influence in Afghanistan, plus wants to have a piece of Afghanistan's natural resources and reconstruction projects.
-Iran as long as Afghanistan issue is at stake has one of its flanks secure, plus no major acion can be taken against Iran as Afghanistan war is consuming way too many resources in terms of men and material of Coalition forces.
-Russia plays the card of letting Coalition forces to be supplied from the North, as the only supply route from Afghnistan the Kabul-Jalalabad road can easily be cut off as it happened many times in the past, by this obtaining an advantage in any kind of negotiation with the West.
Also many of the high profile Afghans have studied in Russia during 80's and 90's and have tight connections with the Russians.And containing Islamic Fundamedalism is essential for Russia as it can spread to areas that Russia has huge interests(the problems with Muslims in Kaukasus region is well known)
-Turkey also plays a role there as it sees it self as power which must have a word in Muslim countires, this game is played since the days of Ottoman Empire, plus the fact that in Afghanistan exist a Turkmen minority which Turkey tries to exploit for its own purposes.
As for the Afghans they concider themselves first as Pashtuns, Tajik,Turkmen,Hazara,Uzbek and second as Afghans.It happened for them to unite in the past,during Soviet invasion for example, but the moment that the threat which uinte them dissapeared again they started to fight each other.
My prediction is that when the Coalition forces leave ,Afghanistan will have a 1 year maximum life span and then all the hell will break loose again.
 
I am interested in your source for you facts Bootie. You would think that here in America we would be talking about the war. But you don't hear anything about it since there is a democrat in the White House. If a republican wins in 2012, it is all you will hear about again.
Lord Bane
 
The bottom line is, if we don't want our troops to be in Afgh, vote for a Party that will bring them home, like I and a million other Brits do..:)
 
It is interesting. I just wonder if it is credible. I don't know as much as I should about the war and like I said earlier, there is no debate going on here about it at all.
Lord Bane
 
I doubt all the "facts" which present opinions of the Afghan people in percentages. Can't see Afghanistan as a country in which you go round with questionnaires for the population to fill out/answer.

And oil certainly isn't one of the major assets found in Afghanistan soil. On the other hand, lithium is. And it is a very, very important mineral:
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/14/world/asia/14minerals.html
 
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