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I lost an AFV. Five man crew with 4 pistols and a sub machine gun is now afoot.
My opponent says: "One tiny request - This is tank crew. They are not infantry so they have to move back. Now my guys are wasting ammo by shooting at simple crewmen while they are supposed to shoot at real infantry."

My knee-jerk reaction was going to be "So, set your covered arc better." I mean, I don't have a lot of infantry and I could use these 5 guys. Besides, they count for points too, I assume (they were more valuable than regular infantry in CM1, but I don't know about that in CMN).

Then, I thought, maybe there is an unwritten rule I don't know about? If not, should we make one? What say ye?
 
Yes mTk, I have run into this before also. I didn't agree with it either but wasn't going to argue with the guy about it. But in real life I think these guys would fight. Especially to stay alive. CM:BN does a good job of making morale fit and when the AFV is done in the yshould become very skittish and brake quick under fire. I can understand the scout issue point of view, but it's not that big of a deal.

I wish we did have FGM rules about this and other issues such as preplanned arty. We could put it to a vote.
 
Nort said:
I say, a crew are combatants and they are allowed to fight without restriction.
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I agree with Nort on this one. I target dismount crew for one main reason...they can remount their AFV later. And the same dismount crew have assisted other vehicles(Halftrack) and tasks(spotting and firing they small arms) in my game. There no way I'm limiting my fighting force, just because someone doesn't feel like wasting ammo on them.
 
DasTiger said:
I wish we did have FGM rules about ........ such as preplanned arty. We could put it to a vote.
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I wholly disagree with you, my friend.
Be it a scenario, or quick battle, you uses your resources anyway you see fit to win. If you want to pre-bombardment your enemy starting positions or likely routes of travel, that's happens in real war and now we can do it in CMBN too. Smart player will minimizes the effect of his opponent's first turn (and other turns) artillery.
Its all in your tactics.
I won't limit myself, never.
If you have to have it that way....then a friendly agreed between players before they game starts.
For all tournaments, allow players to use all the resources to they full effect, with zero restrictions.
 
Originally Posted by Nort
"I say, a crew are combatants and they are allowed to fight without restriction."

Rico said:
I agree with Nort on this.

Parameters to a battle can always be negotiated and agreed upon beforehand.
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My thoughts. I've seen people use their crews as scouts. Seemed odd to me, but we didn't agree anything about this beforehand. Perhaps historically not completely accurate (I think crews would try to stay alive to fight another day from their new tank) but of course they would defend themselves when needed.
 
Bert Blitzkrieg said:
Originally Posted by Nort
"I say, a crew are combatants and they are allowed to fight without restriction."



My thoughts. I've seen people use their crews as scouts. Seemed odd to me, but we didn't agree anything about this beforehand. Perhaps historically not completely accurate (I think crews would try to stay alive to fight another day from their new tank) but of course they would defend themselves when needed.
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It was common practice for Panzer crews to exit their vehicles and do recon of the battlefield ahead on foot to get a sense of the lay of the land.
 
OK well the first coment made by mTk about the crew is mine so i'll try to explain why I made.

Even in WWII as every war after that tank crew is NOT trained as infantry!

the end
 
Dutch Grenadier said:
OK well the first coment made by mTk about the crew is mine so i'll try to explain why I made.

Even in WWII as every war after that tank crew is NOT trained as infantry!

the end
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It depends what u concider to be an Infantry training.
I can speak for Greek army that maybe except of handling of heavy weapons such as mortars ,ATGM,recoiless rifles etc(MGs excluded) armoured crews can perform simple infantry tasks.
 
Rico said:
It was common practice for Panzer crews to exit their vehicles and do recon of the battlefield ahead on foot to get a sense of the lay of the land.
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OK, but I didn't mean this kind of scouting. I meant using them as cannonfodder (scouting by drawing enemy fire) when their AFV wa KO-ed.
 
no mather what army you are in tank crew is not infantry! They are an insult to real infantrymen if they think that they are. About what rico says. Of course they can scout ahead but with the intention to get back in their tank and fight but not once their tank is destroyed. they get the hell out of there.

now back to the game. what the hell does tank crew think to achieve equipt with pistols against fully equipt infantrymen??? Get the hell out of the front line!
 
Bert Blitzkrieg said:
OK, but I didn't mean this kind of scouting. I meant using them as cannonfodder (scouting by drawing enemy fire) when their AFV wa KO-ed.
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I agree there -- using tank crews as infantry cannon fodder unless surrounded or in extremis is a huge waste of specialist training and manpower -- no army in it's right mind would do it.
 
Sorry but on the small scale of CM battles if my armour gets nailed Im gonna use everything I got to win the battle, get that objective and destroy the enemy even if it means sending my lightly armed crews forward to fire a couple of rounds of at an enemy.

This is a game that you have objectives to secure to win the battle. I dont give a damn if they are trained as infantry or not. Those guys have guns.. thats good enough for me to send them into battle.
 
Bootie said:
Sorry but on the small scale of CM battles if my armour gets nailed Im gonna use everything I got to win the battle, get that objective and destroy the enemy even if it means sending my lightly armed crews forward to fire a couple of rounds of at an enemy.

This is a game that you have objectives to secure to win the battle. I dont give a damn if they are trained as infantry or not. Those guys have guns.. thats good enough for me to send them into battle.
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Completely agree.
 
I find tank crews are excellent at manning H/T MG's... and if you leave your MG Jeeps back early on and scout with the troops latter you can put tank crews or infantry in them and make a portable MG platform when needed, so it is not just cannon fodder at the start of recon...
 
Dutch Grenadier said:
no mather what army you are in tank crew is not infantry! They are an insult to real infantrymen if they think that they are!
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Dude, nobody said that tank crew is infantry but what u are saying that ''Even in WWII as every war after that tank crew is NOT trained as infantry''
is TOTALLY wrong.End of Talk
 
Bootie or Fred close this topic. It's getting out of control.

I'll keep my own rules to myself as I always did.
 
It was common practice for Panzer crews to exit their vehicles and do recon of the battlefield ahead on foot to get a sense of the lay of the land.
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As it was during my time in a Mech Inf unit. We rarely drove straight up to a position without recon of our immediate AO. The difference being that I never unassed my whole crew (unfortunately not possible in CMBN) to recon ahead, it was usually me and a subordinate.
 
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