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[Septic Limb]

I talked with my father over the phone this weekend and I couldn't believe what I was hearing. He was frothing in rage and hatred towards President Trump and damn near screaming that he hopes the man dies from COVID. He has become a mindless acolyte that spews forth whatever his media outlet is saying. I hung up the phone while he was screaming about the National Socialists that are running the show. I sat in disbelief and sadness over this because all I ever heard from him when I was a kid was to think for yourself and listen to both sides before making your decisions. You can't argue with facts and evidence and your positions should be based upon them. He has become what he always looked down upon and I blame it on isolation and the neverending news media pumping this crap down our throats. The damage that is being caused is far greater and longer-lasting than anything COVID will ever achieve.

 

[mTk]

Anything more divisive than the mainstream media. Think not.
I'm a bit in the same boat except reverse. My son goes apoplectic at the mere mention of Trump's name.
I'm very disappointed because otherwise he's a very smart guy. I didn't see it coming since he is married w/3 kids.
Still, pretty sure he stops the 'tude at hoping anyone dies.
So there's that.

 

[HOA_KSOP]

I talked with my father over the phone this weekend and I couldn't believe what I was hearing. He was frothing in rage and hatred towards President Trump and damn near screaming that he hopes the man dies from COVID. He has become a mindless acolyte that spews forth whatever his media outlet is saying. I hung up the phone while he was screaming about the National Socialists that are running the show. I sat in disbelief and sadness over this because all I ever heard from him when I was a kid was to think for yourself and listen to both sides before making your decisions. You can't argue with facts and evidence and your positions should be based upon them. He has become what he always looked down upon and I blame it on isolation and the neverending news media pumping this crap down our throats. The damage that is being caused is far greater and longer-lasting than anything COVID will ever achieve.

And who is the National Socialists your father is referencing? I don't think they belong to the same party as the President, at least as near as I can figure. But I'm willing to listen if someone has evidence to the contrary.

 

[HOA_KSOP]

Anything more decisive than the mainstream media. Think not.
I'm a bit in the same boat except reverse. My son goes apoplectic at the mere mention of Trump's name.
I'm very disappointed because otherwise he's a very smart guy. I didn't see it coming since he is married w/3 kids.
Still, pretty sure he stops the 'tude at hoping anyone dies.
So there's that.

Really? wow...

 

[Bulletpoint]

Isn't much of US mainstream media very pro-Trump though? Fox News etc.

 

[mTk]

@Bulletpoint
"Isn't much of US mainstream media very pro-Trump though? Fox News etc."
Interesting your looking into the U.S. from the outside that you would say/think that.
The answer is "no." AFAIK Fox News does mostly support Trump, but it has been known to launch their share of attacks as well ("Fair and Balanced?")
In general though, IMHO, the other major media outlets have become the attack dog division of the left. And they are relentless. It's just not possible to get the news anymore.
What you get are opinions (right or wrong) based on the networks' agenda. ATM it is mostly all left, swerving frequently over to the far left. I've given up watching and choose to
read the "news" based upon my opinion of the source.
Sorry. This wandered off topic, but thought you should have an answer of sorts.
The end.

 

[HOA_KSOP]

So you know Trump was given the vaccine that he promised would be ready by the election. If he is released today and he's symptom free and not-contagious, would that not be something? What would the anti-Trump people do or say then? "The only reason he got it was because he is the President". Which is exactly why he gets it, dumbass, the leader of the free world is THAT important...

 

[Bulletpoint]

but thought you should have an answer of sorts.

I appreciate it. Was an honest question.

So you know Trump was given the vaccine that he promised would be ready by the election. If he is released today and he's symptom free and not-contagious, would that not be something?

I haven't read if he got any special cure.. when he got ill, my assumption was that he would be treated with oxygen and probably survive like most people who catch a serious case of covid do if they get some basic treatment.

 

[Septic Limb]

And who is the National Socialists your father is referencing? I don't think they belong to the same party as the President, at least as near as I can figure. But I'm willing to listen if someone has evidence to the contrary.

His arguments were irrational and I stopped listening and hung up at that point.
Also, my post was an example of the mental sickness that is spreading across this nation and is found in equal parts on both sides of the fence. We don't want this to get political and have the thread shut down by a certain Aussie.

 

[HOA_KSOP]

I appreciate it. Was an honest question.



I haven't read if he got any special cure.. when he got ill, my assumption was that he would be treated with oxygen and probably survive like most people who catch a serious case of covid do if they get some basic treatment.

Yes, he supposedly got one of the vaccines along with steroids and oxygen. But I am with you, prompt treatment is a must and is usually successful.

 

[HOA_KSOP]

Also, my post was an example of the mental sickness that is spreading across this nation and is found in equal parts on both sides of the fence. We don't want this to get political and have the thread shut down by a certain Aussie.

Yes, unfortunately, a lot of people have been hit with the dumbass stick. Folks need to step back, turn off their phone and computers for a day and think about what they have become.

 

[mTk]

 

[SlySniper]

US mainstream media has for a long time been a form of propaganda, turning it off can make a major change in how you see what is truly going on.

The question we should be asking is what is the true motives and the agenda for doing it.

There is plenty of evidences of the lies and not just that, how coordinated they are.

And its not just a political agenda for one party, there is people in both parties that are part of whatever is really going on.

The only thing that is for sure, Trump was a outsider and was not part of the agenda, and there has been and is a huge effort to get him out of the way.



Personnally, I don't like Trump, he is not a good man, his personal values are terrible and he does not represent a leader I look up to in any manor.

But I am glad he has been there in office for one simple fact, he has been a torn in the side of those that have fought against him, he has also been able to impact the supreme court judges and who is being placed there and that has been a good thing.


Americans, need to open their eyes, the events that are playing out are not by chance. The emotions we see in people are there because they are being placed there,
they are being lead.

America "We have a Enemy from within"

I likely sound crazy, and I am not the guy with the answers, but I have enough common sense, to see all sorts of clues as to the intentional efforts from well funded sources that are pushing the riots and creating hatred and division amounts us.

Having hatred, anger and wanting to do violence is never a answer to any problem, and if this is how you are feeling, you are going down a dangerous path.

But look at the sources that are trying to lead us down that path, and question why.


There are those in power and places of influence that are fueling discord.

We need to see them for what they truly are. We sure should not be supporting them.

 

[HOA_KSOP]

Yeah, there is clearly something afoot. Trump certainly has upset the apple cart. What I find disturbing is that some Americans, who enjoy the highest standard of living on the planet, are saying that capitalism does not work. But the bald face truth is that it works if people work. Simple system, simple results. The more or the smarter you work, the higher the reward. So that line of thought is clearly being planted somewhere and by someone.

 

[Bulletpoint]

What I find disturbing is that some Americans, who enjoy the highest standard of living on the planet, are saying that capitalism does not work.

A lot of Americans are not enjoying a high standard of living though.

Capitalism works very well for the rich, because the more money you have, the easier it is to make more money. And while a few manage to work their way up from the bottom, the easiest way to become rich is to be born into a rich family. Like Trump.

 

[HOA_KSOP]

A lot of Americans are not enjoying a high standard of living though.

Yes, true, but capitalism provides the vehicle for personal betterment and enrichment. America has educational opportunities for everyone if they avail themselves of it. But if you drop out of school then you are inclined to more than likely not have a very high standard of living. But is that a rich person's fault or the fault of one demographic over another? In today's America apparently, it is. I don't fault a rich person being rich because most of them re-invest their wealth and it creates opportunities for others, regardless if it's generational or not. Now if rich folks were gathering all the wealth and not re-investing it, that would be highly problematic.

Capitalism works very well for the rich, because the more money you have, the easier it is to make more money. And while a few manage to work their way up from the bottom, the easiest way to become rich is to be born into a rich family. Like Trump.

Yes, capitalism does work well for the rich. But the really rich folks work their asses off. And they work efficiently, effectively, set goals and attain them. They are business savants and are paid for having that talent.
So are professional athletes and doctors and media personalities, although admittedly some of these rich celebrities only talent is releasing sex tapes and brokering that into wealth. Right, Kim?

I think Jobs and Bezos are pretty good examples of the intestinal fortitude that it takes to attain great wealth. Apple at one point was failing, Jobs was removed as the head of Apple, but he endeavored to change tech as we know it, regained control of Apple, and became extremely wealthy. So has Bezos. At one time Amazon was on the brink of failure, but he persevered and is now the wealthiest dude on the planet and that is after he had to pay his divorce settlement. And how many thousands of jobs and wealth-building opportunities for others have those two men alone offered society? More than themselves, I can damn sure guarantee you of that.

 

[HOA_KSOP]

A lot of Americans are not enjoying a high standard of living though.

Capitalism works very well for the rich, because the more money you have, the easier it is to make more money. And while a few manage to work their way up from the bottom, the easiest way to become rich is to be born into a rich family. Like Trump.

And, most people that run for President nowadays are wealthy. Trump got his inherited wealth and increased it via real estate investment. Biden is a lifelong politician, but he's a millionaire. Where'd his wealth come from? Shrewd investments only possible in a capitalist society?

 

[Bulletpoint]

Yes, capitalism does work well for the rich. But the really rich folks work their asses off.

I think this is mostly a myth. Sure, it can be true when looking at some of the business superstars who work their way up from nothing and start business empires and change the world. Good for them. There's just the problem that we only focus on the ones who work their asses off and succeed, because that's a good story that we like to hear. It's just like the media only writes about the people who won the lottery, not the ones who didn't.

We don't notice the ones either inheriting their wealth and who hire somebody to run their business for them while they play golf, and we never hear about brilliant people who work hard - but fail. In Capitalism, there's this almost religious belief that if somebody works hard, he WILL succeed. And if he doesn't, that's seen as proof that he didn't work hard enough.

But maybe this is the point where I have to write a disclaimer: While I'm not a capitalist, I'm not a socialist either. I try to look at all political and economic systems critically. I get the feeling when talking to people from both sides that they are very entrenched in some core dogmatic beliefs.

 

[HOA_KSOP]

We don't notice the ones either inheriting their wealth and who hire somebody [ giving someone economic opportunity] to run their business for them while they play golf, [membership fees pay club employees wages] and we never hear about brilliant people who work hard - but fai.

l [ There are stories out there, but success stories play better and teach lessons that success can be obtained through intelligence, education, perserverance, hard work and shrewd investment]

In Capitalism, there's this almost religious belief that if somebody works hard, he WILL succeed. And if he doesn't, that's seen as proof that he didn't work hard enough.

[ Are you talking about the attainment of big wealth or a standard of living that the person aspires to?]

But maybe this is the point where I have to write a disclaimer: While I'm not a capitalist, I'm not a socialist either. I try to look at all political and economic systems critically. I get the feeling when talking to people from both sides that they are very entrenched in some core dogmatic beliefs.

.[ Which perchance constitutes a belief system?]

 

[mTk]

Sorta off topic here guys. How about taking this to some PM's?
(mTk doing his best Badger73 imitation.)